Sunday, April 28, 2024

😱

All while in New York, you can't go into Duane Reade," Trump added. "You can't go into CVS and buy skin lotion because it has to be locked behind Plexiglas because theft is so high." 
The former president's son implied Biden was behind his skincare troubles. 
"The country does not believe it," Trump observed. "But this guy's not going to make it. He can't."
The witnesses so far have been David Pecker, about whom Trump told FBI Director Comey: “He knows more about me than you do.” And a woman described as Trump’s “gatekeeper” for, what, 20 years. Trump even tried to hug her when she left the courtroom. I’m sure that proved to the jury what a “radical leftist” she is.

Except It’s More Like 5 Hours A Day

...with a break for lunch, and Wednesdays off.

Most working stiffs in America would consider that a cushy job. Especially if all you had to do was stay awake. Or nap, nobody’s stopping you. 😴 

And he owns his own golf courses. ⛳️ 

Well, That And Polls Just Suck

The only time polls are validated (as opposed to “38% of the country think Apple pie is unAmerican”) is during election years.

Every election year, the polls are wrong. This is explained as one party “underperforming” or “over performing.”

Predictions in economic reports “exceed expectations” (good), or fail to meet expectations (bad). But the numbers are generally reliable; or they are corrected a bit later.

Pollsters pledge to “fix it” and “get it right next time.”

Rinse. Repeat.

Polls are garbage. 🗑️ 

EOD.

Who Are Two Notorious Adulterers And Donald Trump?

The divine right of Kings named Trump. Oddly enough, nobody did. Message received. So maybe back off in the Sulzberger stories, huh?🤔 

The 🥩🥩 Are High!

"Justice Merchan has yet to issue a ruling on whether to find Mr. Trump in contempt. While prosecutors have argued that Mr. Trump is 'angling' to be arrested, some people close to Mr. Trump insist privately that, for all his bravado, he desperately wants to avoid jail," the Times is reporting before adding, "... Justice Merchan set a new hearing for this week in which, once again, the former president’s statements will be in the spotlight: dissected, considered and, ultimately, judged."
He’s starting to worry about how his steaks will be cooked.
“The trial has been a jarring shift for a man who is rarely confined to silence, often around people paying to see him, and used to spending his days making phone calls, holding meetings, reading newspapers, tending to his properties, taping videos and peacocking around his Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida," the outlet reported. "Trump has also long prized having control of many of the details in his day-to-day life, people familiar with the matter said." 
Specifically, the report notes that Trump "largely avoids restaurants outside his properties because he wants control over the food — particularly how his steak is cooked." 
"He has avoided certain hotels on the road, telling advisers he prefers a Holiday Inn Express, because the bathroom floors are light colored and he can see if there is dirt. At his property, he controls the music — both the song choice and the volume. He was personally involved in renovating his plane, asking for constant updates, and complained about having to use the private planes of others while his was in the shop for over a year," the report states.
Can he even get McDonald’s in jail? “Your honor, this is cruel and unusual punishment!”

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The Reports Are In From Bizarro World 🗺️

Fitzgerald v Trump

 The Supreme Court followed Fitzgerald slavishly in oral arguments, and that’s the problem.

Fitzgerald comes in three parts:, majority opinion (joined by then Justice Rehnquist), the concurring opinion by Chief Justice Burger, and the dissent by Justice White. While I don’t disagree that Presidents should be free from the threat of civil suits while in office (which are privately controlled and can be frivolous), the threat of a rogue prosecutor, or even a vengeful successor to office (i.e., Trump. In all the years of the Republic, he’s the only credible threat.), is virtually non-existent. The fear of a vengeful prosecution also undermines the bedrock principles of a grand jury and a petit jury protecting justice. The system, in other words, has checks and balances.

I mention that familiar phrase because it is not in the constitution, but we all take it as “constitutional.” Fitzgerald mocks the dissent for relying on the concept that “no man is above the law,” because that phrase is not found in the constitution. By the majority makes much of the concept of “separation of powers,” another phrase not found in the Constitution.

That, by the way, is where Marbury comes in; in the majority opinion, I mean. There’s a “technical” argument, which I’ll skip for the moment, because the legal foundation of “separation of powers” actually comes from Marbury. Fitzgerald uses Marbury to support the separation doctrine, both for the Presidency (and so protect it from civil suits), and, of course, for the courts. But are the courts independent?

Congress establishes how many there are, and what their jurisdiction and venue are. Congress establishes the cases the Supreme Court must, or can, review, a power it effectively transferred (in part) to the Court in the Judicial Act of 1925. And what Congress granted, Congress can take away again.

Congress appoints judges and justices, establishes all court systems (judiciary, bankruptcy, patent, to name a few), establishes the number of courts and appellate justices and Supreme Court justices; and sets their pay.  It even sets rules for judicial retirement.

The courts have independence; but that independence depends upon the agreement of the Congress, and the people. The court is literally the most dependent branch of government established by the Constitution. Art. III establishes only a judicial system and the court that sits atop it. Everything else is left to Congress. Separation of powers? Independent branch of government? Third branch of government? That’s all extra-constitutional, most of it established in law by: the courts.

That makes it a very delicate balance, indeed. Justice Kavanaugh said Trump’s immunity appeal was not just about the case before the Court. He was all but quoting Burger’s concurrence. The Court in Fitzgerald was reaching out to establish a broad principle, one I actually agree with. But the rap on Roe was that the result was right, just the legal reasoning was poor. It was overruled by an equally poorly reasoned opinion, aimed solely at achieving the desired result.

The dissent in Fitzgerald makes this point; that both the reasoning and the conclusion are unsound (otherwise it would be a concurrence, wouldn’t it?). The dissent argues that the majority opinion threatens the separation of powers, and places the sitting President above the law. Not as high above as criminal immunity; but too high for the four dissenting justices.

Of course, the difference between Fitzgerald and Trump (the case), is that Fitzgerald involved civil damages against an acting President, and Trump involved criminal charges against an individual who happens to wield enormous power because of a constitutional election.

The remedy forestalled by Fitzgerald is damages for an injury allegedly arising from the conduct of the office (“official acts”). What is the remedy for criminal actions taken by the sitting POTUS? Immunity, because criminal process might be abused? Funny how the doesn’t stop poor people and in-white people from being arrested and charged on a daily basis. Maybe immunity for Presidents has something to do with protecting powerful white men from lesser actors?

It’s not an idle or ill-founded question.

The existence of alternative remedies and deterrents establishes that absolute immunity will not place the President "above the law." For the President, as for judges and prosecutors, absolute immunity merely precludes a particular private remedy for alleged misconduct in order to advance compelling public ends.

The weakness of the analysis in Trump relying on Fitzgerald is highlighted here, because Fitzgerald ultimately rests on that issue: “absolute immunity merely precludes a particular private remedy for alleged misconduct.” What private remedy is there for an alleged crime? Civil suits are fundamentally a private remedy. The DOJ has rules against prosecuting a sitting POTUS. In over 200 years, we’ve never had to prosecute a president for crimes committed in office. Maybe what’s changed is Trump, not our ideas of governance.

True, Trump need not be granted absolute immunity from criminal liability. But then why consider a general rule applicable to all hypotheticals, rather than only the facts presented by the indictment? Here, again, although the argument relied on it, Fitzgerald offers no support:

A rule of absolute immunity for the President will not leave the Nation without sufficient protection against misconduct on the part of the Chief Executive. There remains the constitutional remedy of impeachment. In addition, there are formal and informal checks on Presidential action that do not apply with equal force to other executive officials. The President is subjected to constant scrutiny by the press. Vigilant oversight by Congress also may serve to deter Presidential abuses of office, as well as to make credible the threat of impeachment. Other incentives to avoid misconduct may include a desire to earn reelection, the need to maintain prestige as an element of Presidential influence, and a President's traditional concern for his historical stature.

How many of those restraints affect a President determined to commit crimes? Trump, after all, called for violence at the Capitol, aimed at Members of Congress, in order to overturn the election. That’s the essence of the criminal charges against him. It’s also Justice White’s argument in Fitzgerald:

The Court now applies the dissenting view in Butz to the Office of the President: a President, acting within the outer boundaries of what Presidents normally do, may, without liability, deliberately cause serious injury to any number of citizens even though he knows his conduct violates a statute or tramples on the constitutional rights of those who are injured. Even if the President in this case ordered Fitzgerald fired by means of a trumped-up reduction in force, knowing that such a discharge was contrary to the civil service laws, he would be absolutely immune from suit. By the same token, if a President, without following the statutory procedures which he knows apply to himself as well as to other federal officials, orders his subordinates to wiretap or break into a home for the purpose of installing a listening device, and the officers comply with his request, the President would be absolutely immune from suit. He would be immune regardless of the damage he inflicts, regardless of how violative of the statute and of the Constitution he knew his conduct to be, and regardless of his purpose. The Court intimates that its decision is grounded in the Constitution. If that is the case, Congress cannot provide a remedy against Presidential misconduct, and the criminal laws of the United States are wholly inapplicable to the President. I find this approach completely unacceptable. I do not agree that, if the Office of President is to operate effectively, the holder of that Office must be permitted, without fear of liability and regardless of the function he is performing, deliberately to inflict injury on others by conduct that he knows violates the law. We have not taken such a scatter-gun approach in other cases. Butz held that absolute immunity did not attach to the office held by a member of the President's Cabinet, but only to those specific functions performed by that officer for which absolute immunity is clearly essential. Members of Congress are absolutely immune under the Speech or Debate Clause of the Constitution, but the immunity extends only to their legislative acts. We have never held that, in order for legislative work to be done, it is necessary to immunize all of the tasks that legislators must perform. Constitutional immunity does not extend to those many things that Senators and Representatives regularly and necessarily do that are not legislative acts. Members of Congress, for example, repeatedly importune the executive branch and administrative agencies outside hearing rooms and legislative halls, but they are not immune if, in connection with such activity, they deliberately violate the law. United States v. Brewster, 408 U. S. 501 (1972), for example, makes this clear. Neither is a Member of Congress or his aide immune from damages suits if, in order to secure information deemed relevant to a legislative investigation, he breaks into a house and carries away records. Gravel v. United States, 408 U. S. 606 (1972). Judges are absolutely immune from liability for damages, but only when performing a judicial function, and even then they are subject to criminal liability. See Dennis v. Sparks, 449 U. S. 24, 449 U. S. 31 (1980); O'Shea v. Littleton, 414 U. S. 488, 414 U. S. 503 (1974). The absolute immunity of prosecutors is likewise limited to the prosecutorial function. A prosecutor who directs that an investigation be carried out in a way that is patently illegal is not immune.

So is the correct understanding of immunity that which attaches to the office? Or to the act? That’s what allows for hypotheticals. But does it require them? More to the point, does this require them? The dissent in Fitzgerald cites case law for particulars. There are none for criminal immunity, but some Justices in Trump’s case insisted random thought experiments must be conducted before any conclusions in this case can be drawn. 

Perhaps the Court will justify its concerns with Marbury:

“the question, whether the legality of an act of the head of a department be examinable in a court of justice or not must always depend on the nature of that act."

And it’s the nature of Trump’s acts that is still at issue. I think only Thomas, Alito, and Kavanaugh think the hypotheticals are the most important thing. But Justice Barret seems to think otherwise:

Which could lead her to be aware of this: Which probably seems like a strong argument to Trump, but Justice Barrett already has their number.

And while we’re floating hypotheticals:
Should the decisions about presidential immunity (which must ultimately be modifiable) come before, or after, the murders?

Some Justices insisted on hypotheticals, but in the end it was only clearly three. Barret seemed skeptical, even incredulous. Roberts gutted the VRA, but does he want his tenure to be synonymous with the case that gave Trump immunity for his crimes? Roberts can say the VRA can be rewritten. How do we rewrite American history if Trump wins office again and commits crimes with impunity, crimes he can’t start to be tried for until after his term? What Court legacy is that? 

The situation is worse than it should be (even the argument for remand for further hearings is not supported by Fitzgerald’s reasoning). But that doesn’t mean it will be as bad as it could be. Roberts could vote with Alito, Thomas, and Kavanaugh, to remand to Chutkan for further fact-gathering; but that would still require Barret to make it happen. Based on the arguments, I don’t think that will happen.

OCICBW.

Saturday, April 27, 2024

WHCD 2024

Pretty Sure What He’s Describing…

...dates back to the FDR administration.

I Wonder If The Supremes Are Taking This Scenario Into Consideration 🤔

Friday, April 26, 2024

Um 😕

According to information obtained Friday, Johnson said once the troopers began using force on the students around 10 p.m., the state troopers on the roof switched to long-range firearms as part of their protocol. 
“Ohio State Highway Patrol provided overwatch support, which is a standard safety measure when they assist with large gatherings,” Johnson’s statement said. “We don’t discuss specific public safety protocols. In general, overwatch support is armed, and the team carries standard equipment, including firearms, that would only be used reactively to protect the safety of all present, including demonstrators.”
This is where I remind the audience that none of the four dead students at Kent State in 1970 were part of the demonstration.

And the National Guard were completely exonerated, and the students (who were just on campus) were blamed.

😶 

It’s A Dog’s Life 🐶

Oh, I don’t know, the news today gave a lot of people on the Left some happiness. What’s not to love? Are we sure we know how many kids she’s had? Talk about somebody who shouldn’t even be elected dog catcher.

Friday Night’s Alright For Fightin’

"Crooked Joe Biden just announced that he’s willing to debate!" Trump posted on Truth Social during a break in the trial. "Everyone knows he doesn’t really mean it, but in case he does, I say, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, ANYPLACE, an old expression used by Fighters." 
I love the idea that an overweight, out of shape old man who snoozes daily in the courtroom, imagines himself a “Fighter.” And if you have to call attention to it, you ain’t one.
"I suggest Monday Evening, Tuesday Evening, or Wednesday Evening at my Rally in Michigan, a State that he is in the process of destroying with his E.V. Mandate," 
"In the alternative, he’s in New York City today, although probably doesn’t know it, and so am I, stuck in one of the many Court cases that he instigated as ELECTION INTERFERENCE AGAINST A POLITICAL OPPONENT - A CONTINUING WITCH HUNT!" Trump posted. "It’s the only way he thinks he can win. In fact, let’s do the Debate at the Courthouse tonight - on National Television, I’ll wait around!"
Certainly don’t want to do an organized debate with a moderator and an audience; especially not an audience which could ask questions.

And while Trump, even as POTUS, would have time for such an impromptu event, I think Biden has a bit more of a schedule to keep. One that doesn’t involve being in the courtroom all day, though.

And now we know why Trump wants that debate tonight:
The second witness called in the criminal prosecution of Donald Trump was his longtime Executive Assistant Rhona Graff. She later became "Assistant to the President" after his election, then Senior VP for Trump Org. She worked for Trump for 34 years until 2021. 
Prosecutors began her testimony by pointing out that she was compelled to be there by subpoena and she had a lawyer there hired by Trump but she didn't even know her last name. They showed her a list of contacts that she had previously saved and one of them was Stormy Daniels with her phone number. She was asked if she ever saw Daniels at Trump Tower before 2015 and she said that she had and she was aware that she was a porn actress. 
That concluded her testimony, which was simply to show that Trump's Executive Assistant had Stormy's name and phone number on file and that she had been at Trump Tower despite the fact that Trump has repeatedly claimed he didn't know her.
He wants to expunge memory of the last witness of the week. Or does he understand the importance of her brief appearance? Probably not.

Unless it’s held after sundown; that might be a problem.





I'd almost want to see Trump go second to see how he'd respond to what Biden had to say. If Biden went second he'd eviscerate Trump.
Trump has almost completely disappeared into a fantasy world of his own making. Pecker lays the state’s foundations for their case, and Trump thinks it’s a good week.  Graft establishes Trump knew Daniels (and was probably trying first to buy her silence with a fake offer of a TV appearance), and he hugs her on the way out (underlining the fact he has no family/friends in the courtroom). His world is collapsing,,so he invents one where he’s winning.

He could no more debate Biden than he could defend himself in court and win vindication. 

Do I Repeat Myself? Very Well Then, I Repeat Myself

It’s not meant as comforting so much as explanatory, but if you take the time (especially as a former law student, like Dahlia Lithwick) to read the case most often cited in the arguments, things make more sense. It provides the vocabulary, the context, and the concepts under consideration.

I don’t expect even lawyers to have a peerless insight into Supreme Court cases being argued, but there was basically one case being discussed yesterday, and it provided everything from the relevance of Marbury to the concept of “private action.” If you want to understand why the Justices were talking the way they were, that’s the place to start. Then you can intelligently critique their positions (excluding your humble host from those who could offer a better critique).

It ain’t rocket science. 🚀 

The Poster Child For Court Reform

As I’ve said, Alito is the best living reason for Supreme Court term limits in line with federal judges (you’ll have to read the article). And I’m a little curious as to how the Court would challenge, or overturn, such laws without someone bringing the case before them. And who would have standing to do that?

😈

Grey Lady Down!

Gee, what’s this all about? Seriously, NYT, you’re not going to win this one:

😴

Well, Trump has had his nap today. Despite multiple eyewitness accounts over the first two weeks of the trial, I’m sure Snopes says there is still no evidence of this.
"Trump walks in every day with a big stack of papers that appear to be news articles carefully culled for his own reading," MSNBC analyst Lisa Rubin said Friday. "Reading his good press is keeping him at least more energized." He is always accompanied by one of his lawyers directly adjacent to him now when they go to these long and extensive sidebars," Rubin said. 
"The strategy is twofold. One, to make sure he always has company and doesn't seem sort of diminished by his solitariness, and the second goal is to keep him awake." 
"I just want to clarify that point," Jansing said. "A lawyer will actually change seats to be sitting next to Donald Trump when the others may have gone up to the bench?" 
"That's absolutely true," she said.
"Pics or it didn’t happen!”—Snopes

And remember when Trump was going to attend all the sidebars?

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🎂

Trump married Melania in 2005. According to Pecker’s testimony (which was “ blockbuster” and “really great,” according Trump), Trump had affairs the entire period between 2005 and 2015. To be fair, Trump now says that’s a picture of Marla Maples. Is there a birthday card for that?

Counsel Against Despair

Sometimes legal Twitter doesn’t make me want to gouge my eyes out.

“Maggie Haberman Is A Big Fat Stinky Liar!”

Frankly, I’m of two minds over who wins that one. Could be the jury sees it as a crude attempt to elevate Trump (especially after Pecker put him in the sewer), or the State worrying too much about something so minor. I agree with the State, but what does the jury think? Do they think Trump’s a pompous ass? Or do they think the State is being petty? Generally, insisting on defying the judge is not a winning strategy….

If course Trump snoozing through his trial while his lawyers ignore it in hopes the jury won’t notice…priceless!

Quick Question

Basically, their defense is going to look like this: 
1. People brought salacious stories about celebrities and political figures to the Enquirer all the time looking to sell them. 
2. The Enquirer paid for stories all the time. 
3. Sometimes the Enquirer didn't run those stories for a variety of reasons. 
4. Sometimes those celebrities and political figures got the Enquirer to kill the stories by granting access to the Enquirer by doing exclusive interviews. 
5. None of them were prosecuted for it.
What does that have to do with Trump feeding fake stories about his political opponents to Pecker? Or do they put Trump on the stand for rebuttal? And aside from Schwarzenegger, none of those celebrities were running for public office.

I’m not saying this is a bad defense. But on redirect the State could make the point. It maintains the tie between Pecker’s testimony and turning the misdemeanor into a felony.

So Trump’s lawyer isn’t exactly stripping the bark off. It’s a tough job, though. I don’t think they’re “going easy” on Pecker for fear of what else he’ll say, but if they challenge him with supposed evidence that indicts his credibility, sooner or later they have to present that evidence. “Don’t let your mouth write checks your ass can’t cash” is true in jury trials, too. Most of the best evidence in direct opposition to these witnesses is Trump. So the best criminal defense is not a Perry Mason-like presentation of evidence, but a defense that challenges the state’s case and ability to get beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s hard to see them getting there, though.
That was yesterday, after the jury had left the courtroom. But you can be sure the State will come back to that, to poke holes in the defense strategy.

And ‘round and‘round it goes.

Nixon v Fitzgerald v Trump v Immunity

 Nixon v Fitzgerald was the primary topic of conversation in the Court argument over Trump’s immunity claim. It was also the blueprint for the argument; but a blueprint read sideways and upside down, to build a conclusion with little to no legal foundation at all.

The President's absolute immunity is a functionally mandated incident of his unique office, rooted in the constitutional tradition of the separation of powers and supported by the Nation's history. Because of the singular importance of the President's duties, diversion of his energies by concern with private lawsuits would raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government. While the separation of powers doctrine does not bar every exercise of jurisdiction over the President, a court, before exercising jurisdiction, must balance the constitutional weight of the interest to be served against the dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch. The exercise of jurisdiction is not warranted in the case of merely private suits for damages based on a President's official acts. 
(c) The President's absolute immunity extends to all acts within the "outer perimeter" of his duties of office. 
 (d) A rule of absolute immunity for the President does not leave the Nation without sufficient protection against his misconduct. There remains the constitutional remedy of impeachment, as well as the deterrent effects of constant scrutiny by the press and vigilant oversight by Congress. Other incentives to avoid misconduct may include a desire to earn reelection, the need to maintain prestige as an element of Presidential influence, and a President's traditional concern for his historical stature.
That’s the summary. Doesn’t look good, does it? Pay attention to something the arguments today didn’t (much): The difference between “civil” and “criminal.”

The opening of the relevant part of the majority opinion starts with this:
This Court consistently has recognized that government officials are entitled to some form of immunity from suits for civil damages.
The opinion goes on to identify cases in support of this proposition. So this is an important proposition. It sums up here:
Our decisions concerning the immunity of government officials from civil damages liability have been guided by the Constitution, federal statutes, and history. Additionally, at least in the absence of explicit constitutional or congressional guidance, our immunity decisions have been informed by the common law. See Butz v. Economou, supra, at 438 U. S. 508; Imbler v. Pachtman, supra, at 424 U. S. 421. This Court necessarily also has weighed concerns of public policy, especially as illuminated by our history and the structure of our government.
Here, this will probably disturb you:
Applying the principles of our cases to claims of this kind, we hold that petitioner, as a former President of the United States, is entitled to absolute immunity from damages liability predicated on his official acts. We consider this immunity a functionally mandated incident of the President's unique office, rooted in the constitutional tradition of the separation of powers and supported by our history. Justice Story's analysis remains persuasive: 
"There are . . . incidental powers belonging to the executive department which are necessarily implied from the nature of the functions which are confided to it. Among these must necessarily be included the power to perform them. . . . The president cannot, therefore, be liable to arrest, imprisonment, or detention, while he is in the discharge of the duties of his office, and, for this purpose, his person must be deemed, in civil cases at least, to possess an official inviolability."
Now pay careful attention; some of this doesn’t say what you may think it says:
In defining the scope of an official's absolute privilege, this Court has recognized that the sphere of protected action must be related closely to the immunity's justifying purposes. Frequently our decisions have held that an official's absolute immunity should extend only to acts in performance of particular functions of his office. See Butz v. Economou, 438 U.S. at 438 U. S. 508-517; cf. Imbler v. Pachtman, 424 U.S. at 424 U. S. 430-431. But the Court also has refused to draw functional lines finer than history and reason would support. See, e.g., Spalding v. Vilas, 161 U.S. at 161 U. S. 498 (privilege extends to all matters "committed by law to [an official's] control or supervision"); Barr v. Matteo, 360 U. S. 564, 360 U. S. 575 (1959) (fact "that the action here taken was within the outer perimeter of petitioner's line of duty is enough to render the privilege applicable . . ."); Stump v. Sparkman, 435 U.S. at 435 U. S. 363, and n. 12 (judicial privilege applies even to acts occurring outside "the normal attributes of a judicial proceeding"). In view of the special nature of the President's constitutional office and functions, we think it appropriate to recognize absolute Presidential immunity from damages liability for acts within the "outer perimeter" of his official responsibility.
This is toward what I mean:
The existence of alternative remedies and deterrents establishes that absolute immunity will not place the President "above the law."  For the President, as for judges and prosecutors, absolute immunity merely precludes a particular private remedy for alleged misconduct in order to advance compelling public ends.
"Private remedy” should catch your eye. That’s a key phrase. Let’s go to CJ Burger’s concurring opinion:
The dissents are wide of the mark to the extent that they imply that the Court today recognizes sweeping immunity for a President for all acts. The Court does no such thing. The immunity is limited to civil damages claims. Moreover, a President, like Members of Congress, judges, prosecutors, or congressional aides -- all having absolute immunity -- are not immune for acts outside official duties. [Footnote 2/2] Ante at 457 U. S. 753-755. Even the broad immunity of the Speech and Debate Clause has its limits. [Footnote 2/3].
Burger then cites a case relied on by the dissent, to reject it:
First, it is important to remember that the context of that language is a criminal prosecution. Second, the "judicial process" referred to was, as in United States v. Burr, 25 F. Cas. 30 (No. 14,692d) (CC Va. 1807) (Marshall, C.J., sitting at trial as Circuit Justice), a subpoena to the President to produce relevant evidence in a criminal prosecution. No issue of damages immunity was involved either in Burr or United States v. Nixon. In short, the quoted language has no bearing whatever on a civil action for damages.
John Dean started me on this pursuit. He quoted from Fitzgerald, but attributed the language to Burger’s concurring opinion: But it’s actually from Justice White’s dissent, which curiously seems to be the guiding force of the arguments before the Court in Trump’s case. This, first, is the full quote from the dissent:
Taken at face value, the Court's position that, as a matter of constitutional law, the President is absolutely immune should mean that he is immune not only from damages actions but also from suits for injunctive relief, criminal prosecutions and, indeed, from any kind of judicial process. But there is no contention that the President is immune from criminal prosecution in the courts under the criminal laws enacted by Congress, or by the States, for that matter. Nor would such a claim be credible. The Constitution itself provides that impeachment shall not bar "Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law." Art. I, § 3, cl. 7. Similarly, our cases indicate that immunity from damages actions carries no protection from criminal prosecution. Supra at 457 U. S. 765-766.
The reference is to this language in the majority opinion:
Constitutional immunity does not extend to those many things that Senators and Representatives regularly and necessarily do that are not legislative acts. Members of Congress, for example, repeatedly importune the executive branch and administrative agencies outside hearing rooms and legislative halls, but they are not immune if, in connection with such activity, they deliberately violate the law. United States v. Brewster, 408 U. S. 501 (1972), for example, makes this clear. Neither is a Member of Congress or his aide immune from damages suits if, in order to secure information deemed relevant to a legislative investigation, he breaks into a house and carries away records. Gravel v. United States, 408 U. S. 606 (1972). Judges are absolutely immune from liability for damages, but only when performing a judicial function, and even then they are subject to criminal liability. See Dennis v. Sparks, 449 U. S. 24, 449 U. S. 31 (1980); O'Shea v. Littleton, 414 U. S. 488, 414 U. S. 503 (1974). The absolute immunity of prosecutors is likewise limited to the prosecutorial function. A prosecutor who directs that an investigation be carried out in a way that is patently illegal is not immune.
Much of the argument before the Court was clearly drawn from the dissent in Fitzgerald. There’s a lengthy analysis there of the Constitutional history of the Presidency, including references made in the argument to comments from the Constitutional Convention. Inaptly referenced and incorrectly applied, often used to support conclusions drawn in opposition to the majority and dissenting opinions of Fitzgerald. But that’s the primary problem with the argument: Fitzgerald was about immunity from a civil lawsuit. It explicitly rejected governmental immunity (for any government official) for criminal liability.  The argument in the Court obscured this central point: that civil immunity has nothing to do with criminal immunity. Even the majority in Fitzgerald recognized this. If the court grants Trump even colorable immunity, which would have to be established through some manner of test, it would be inventing that immunity out of whole cloth. There is simply no support for it in the case law reviewed by, and relied on, in arguments before the Court.

(The greatest irony is that much of the argument in Fitzgerald, in all three opinions, was echoed in the Trump arguments, by Trump and many of the justices. But the reasoning in Fitzgerald should have ended the argument after an hour. Rather like Dobbs, the Court seems once again bent on creating its own legal history and law.)

Thursday, April 25, 2024

Explain To Me Again Why There Has To Be A Test?

"Treason doth never prosper; what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

My literary way of asking, if a coup d’etat is the test, isn’t it too late to apply it?

“How many troops does the Court have?”

All of these “tests” apply after the fact. At what point is it too late to apply the next test? 

New York, New York, It’s A Wonderful Town!

Why does the press keep doing that? Trump says the same thing over and over. 🥱  Trump’s idea of a “good day.” Trump doesn’t have a clue what’s going on. This isn’t just fear of what Pecker might start reminiscing about (that would actually spark a mistrial, so it won’t happen). This is bone-deep ignorance. Pecker has testified for three days now, without cross-examination yet. Trump’s defense team hasn’t had a good day yet. We can safely surmise that’s the report Trump got. Though I agree that’s probably not right.

This Is Also Why The Court Should Not Be Ruling On Hypotheticals

Alito is still the best living argument for term limits for Justices. Not what oral arguments should be about, IOW.

The Only Thing Scary About Lara Trump…

...is how dim she is. Ed. Note: does the RNC have the money to train 100,00 poll watchers? Doesn’t Trump need the money for his lawyers?

Pretty Much What Justice Jackson Said

The legal doctrine of appeals is that the court, especially the High Court, limit itself to the facts and parties before it rather than act as a “super-legislature.” “Change the facts, change the outcome” is not similarly a legal doctrine, but it is how case law and legal reasoning work. The general principle of the tort of assault, say, rests on the recognized elements of the tort, and the facts presented by the case. There is no one rule for all cases of alleged civil assault. One if the things you learn in Torts is that the concept of “offensive contact” is a fact-specific one. The Court does not have to establish, in Justice Jackson’s phrase, a “bucket of official acts” v. private ones, based solely on this case. Rule on the facts before the Court, and leave the future, to the future.

That, I fear, this Court will not do; and working out the parameters of presidential immunity in this one case could therefore take…years.
Which is how the lower courts understood it: on these facts, is former President Trump entitled to immunity? The majority of the Supremes went haring after the defense of the Imperial Presidency. Which was not the issue presented, by the facts or the parties. Oh, Trump argued it that way. But the Court could have fairly and reasonably swatted that aside. Really the factual and legal issue, isn’t it? Does the President have immunity to any extralegal attempt (or illegal one) to retain office? To be fair, that issue was actually recognized in arguments. And the justices didn’t seem overly impressed with Trump’s argument. But three hours? Really? It’s not (it shouldn’t be) that nuanced an issue. Especially on these facts as presented by these parties. A point the DOJ made very well; again, on the facts of the 2020 election, the 60+ failed lawsuits, etc. The legal issue presented by the facts. And how in the world can those facts POSSIBLY raise the issue of whether such actions are within the powers of the POTUS? Because if they do, then every election going forward will prompt a constitutional crisis as the losing incumbent goes to court to establish his authority to use whatever extra-legal authority is available to remain in office. And as C in C, that arguably includes using the military. And we’ll only know if it’s a coup four years later, when the Supreme Court finally gets around to it. Of course, by then… In my hypothetical, we’d need several years in Court to work that out. Which always falls to the”Rich White Man Privilege” rule. Is it a coincidence that most of the strongest critics of this case on the High Court are women of color?

I think not. 🧐